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Club tournament
Posted by T-Rex  on 26 Apr 2013 at 6:05PM
Does anyone wish to play in a Go 9×9 club tourney?
If so, please join The Stonehead Stone Games Club now and sign up.
Play starts early Monday morning.

T-Rex
     
Re: Club tournament
Posted by T-Rex  on 26 Apr 2013 at 6:07PM
To join the club, please ask me or any one of the club's officers for an invitation.

T-Rex
Many-Club Go Site Tournament?
Posted by M3  on 16 Apr 2013 at 7:31PM
Why not have a site-run tournament for all the clubs which play Go or its variants? They can be set up to let more than one club participate.

Would officers of clubs who are interested in having their club participate in such an event please post a reply here?

We need not have it right away. I do not wish to interfere with the The Stonehead Stone Games Club tournament which is in the sign-up stage right now. Replies would let me get the request to Jay RAA  set up and saved in a wiki at The West of the Setting Sun Club to be sent once the Stone Heads' event is over or nearly over.

As he can include a fair number of games in such an event and as Go here has only four variants total we could have other games included. Feel free to include suggestions for such in your reply.

Thank you in advance.
     
Re: Many-Club Go Site Tournament?
Posted by M3  on 16 Apr 2013 at 8:42PM
Posting that might have been an error. I just used the club listing to find clubs which play Go. 28 play 7x7. 14 play each of the others. I list the links neutralized below in the order they were listed: 7x7, 13x13, 19x19, and 9x9.
http://www.goldtoken.com/games/clubs?toc=Go
http://www.goldtoken.com/games/clubs?toc=GoB
http://www.goldtoken.com/games/clubs?toc=GoC
http://www.goldtoken.com/games/clubs?toc=GoA
New club tourney
Posted by T-Rex  on 16 Apr 2013 at 6:32PM
The Stonehead Stone Games Club has a new club tournament that is open for sign-ups.
Go 9×9 is one of the two games.
If you wish to participate, feel free to join the club —no invitation is needed— and sign up.
Play begins on Monday, 29.April.2013.
Have fun.

T-Rex
     
Re: New club tourney
Posted by M3  on 16 Apr 2013 at 7:22PM
How does one join The Stonehead Stone Games Club? I did not notice a way. Maybe I did a poor job of looking.
I think that its full wiki-link is The competition in The SSG: Go 9x9 & Gomoku, Apr 2013 Tournament.
I noticed that one other sub-tournament is listed. Thumbs up Why have Jay RAA  go to all the trouble of setting up a site tournament and have it have merely one sub-tournament?
          
Re: New club tourney
Posted by T-Rex  on 26 Apr 2013 at 6:09PM
If the tournament is diluted too much with too many games, maybe none of them would get the necessary four players signed up.
It is a club tourney, not sitewide.

T-Rex
               
Re: New club tourney
Posted by M3  on 27 Apr 2013 at 12:00PM
Thank you for the answer. I was looking into this issue as Owner of The Down With Regular Chess Club in connection with the Chess Variants. Ideally I would like to get a club tournament going including several clubs in which all the Chess Variants were included and in which each one had enough players to require a second round.

Do we have enough players for that? I tried to learn how many players we had for each variant by checking the Best Players or Top Dogs lists and found few for some variants in T and/or in F but was puzzled by the discrepancy between the combined total of the T and F players and the number in the Combined category. The reason for that discrepancy is that only the Combined category includes those whose ratings are Provisional. Looking at the Combined listing Chess has more players than any other single game at this site. Do you think that this is a useful way to gauge the pool of players?

I wonder whether going after the P-rated players by aiming club tournaments at them would boost the numbers under T and F? I have yet to try to apply this to Go or to its variants.
Seki In 19x19 Game - How Counted?
Posted by M3  on 17 Mar 2013 at 5:13PM
This game was [ West of the Setting Sun: 19x19 Round Robin, Aug 2012 ] #30.

106 M3  (1958 F) (1789 F) #30 this #7729608 (1967 F) (1780 F) +9 -9 17 Mar 2013 at 6:51PM CDT
209.5 final score vs. 156 final score. Contained a
*_106 { Player#38147 }_* (_1958_ F) (/_1789_/ F) #*_30 /this/ { game#7729608 }_* (*_1967_* F) (*/_1780_/* F) +*_9_* -*_/9/_* _*17 Mar 2013 at 6:51PM*_ *_CDT_*
*209.5 final score* vs. *156 final score*. Contained a

How did the system count the seki?
  • Does each of us have the stones in the seki added to our score while the empty points within it are uncounted,
or
  • does each of us have both the stones and the spaces in the seki uncounted?

The latter would penalize the player who used more stones in the seki which in my opinion would be fitting, a penalty for inefficient use of stones.

I admit that I could count everything on the goban, but I would like think that someone who reads this board knows offhand.
     
Re: Seki In 19x19 Game - How Counted?
Posted by klaashaas  on 18 Mar 2013 at 1:43AM
I think that with area scoring, all the stones that are alive are counted and added to your score.
     
Re: Seki In 19x19 Game - How Counted?
Posted by Tezcatlipoca on 18 Mar 2013 at 11:47AM
For all I hear about the scoring systems not making any difference to who wins (that might be true with stronger players), I think the Chinese Rules are softer on inefficient play.
I assume that unoccupied, "unsurrounded" (sorry) points won't count as anything. I've had a game before (can't remember the number) where I eliminated the other player's stones from the goban(board) entirely; my score was less than the total number of the points on the goban though: because my stones were not all connected. Smiling
     
Re: Seki In 19x19 Game - How Counted?
Posted by M3  on 18 Mar 2013 at 9:43PM
Hmm. Maybe I need not count but rather do some adding and subtracting? 209.5 + 156 = 365.5 compared to 361 + 7.5 = 368.5 - 365.5 = 3 The 3 uncounted points are S15 (which I overlooked), M3, and L1 (the last two being in the seki. So, apparently all the stones and all the properly surrounded points were counted. I guess that another way to say this is that neutral points are not counted in the score and that points in a seki are neutral points and so not counted.

I seldom get a seki in a game.
          
Re: Seki In 19x19 Game - How Counted?
Posted by Tezcatlipoca on 19 Mar 2013 at 10:54AM
It seems to me that neutral points are not counted by GT; I'm no expert on the method by which the scoring is done, I've just had some horrible surprises! ;)
               
Re: Seki In 19x19 Game - How Counted?
Posted by M3  on 19 Mar 2013 at 11:15AM
I would expect to have dame (neutral points) uncounted. I overlooked that one border point. When I used to play over the board we would use unplayed stones to fill all the neutrals before counting. We would even trade captured stones to have stones to fill all the neutrals.
                    
Re: Seki In 19x19 Game - How Counted?
Posted by Tezcatlipoca on 19 Mar 2013 at 11:17AM
Counting is much easier with the neutral points filled. Smiling

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